about 4,300 out of 6,000 polled prefer Kucinich for President : Cleveland IMC (((i)))

In a poll of 6,000 Ohio citizens, approximately 4,300 prefer Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich. About 1,500 people prefer President George W. Bush to be President and the remaining 200 people were undecided.

......is that we have many stupid people in this state.

Is that this poll was taken outside of a Phish concert.

i polled my immediate neighbors and one out of five prefer anarchy! imagine that!

figures don't lie, but liars will figure.

Here in Ohio, Bush betrayed us loyal steel workers. But Dennis cares about us. Anyone who calls herself or himself an Ohioan will be voting for Kucinich and not Bu$h.

Dennis sure does care about steel workers, the way he stood up to LTV and saved all the steel workers jobs and.....oops.....that's right, HE DID NOTHING! He was too busy accpeting awards on behalf of pro-life anti-abortion groups (this was preflip flop on the subject). Dennis has done the exact same thing as a congressman that he did as a mayor, NOTHING! Please find me a peice of meaningful legislation he has written that has passed. I'll give you a heads up, YOU CAN'T! Dennis is running at .3%, not 3%, POINT 3% in South Carolina and other southern states he doesn't show up at all. The news networks and papers are beginning to pull their reporters from his camp. It is over! And it will be over for the Dems if they nominate Dean. Get ready, four more years of Bush is coming unless you Dems wake up and realize the vast majority of Americans have no urge to live in a Socialist country!

fudk you must be hurting in some way a troubled person please stop helping to make the world a worse place,like dennis says "its not the world we see , its how we see the world!"
OBSERVER INFLUENCES WHAT IS OBSERVED,dude
at least try to grow up or is it your job to spread derision?
DENNIS BREAKS THE BACK OF DIEbold
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/12/int03323.html
HERE'S some more HOMEwork!
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/7560_comment.php#7562

Think of the U.S. House as a football team. There's a handful of stars. A handful of yeomen guards and fullbacks who get things done, but don't get the credit. There are even specialists -- those who play small but useful roles in key situations.
Yet this team has 435 members, which means the majority don't get anywhere near the field. They're consigned to holding press conferences on the Capitol steps, where they rail heroically about anything that will get them attention to an audience consisting of tourists stopping to see who the nut is. If you saw them outside a nice hotel, you might tip 'em a few bucks and ask 'em to fetch you a cab.
It's not a bad gig, really. You get all the perks of office with none of the responsibilities. No one's asking you to fix health care or cure the AIDS blight in Africa. In fact, they'd prefer that you just shut up. Your only job is to look important and try not to embarrass anyone.

It's the perfect gig for Dennis Kucinich. His is a record of moving speeches and brave calls to arms. But his congressional achievements can be listed on a matchbook cover. So it takes a man of equal parts delusion and ambition to believe that he can go from 56th-string punter to starting quarterback. Kucinich has so much of both, he must transport them in an ore boat.

Witness his Department of Peace bill. It's a beautiful scam. After all, bombing small, underdeveloped countries isn't nearly as much fun as advertised. So who could be against peace?

The problems don't arise until you actually read the bill. It envisions one giant department, presumably staffed by superheroes, that deals with everything from gang violence to elder abuse, labor law to education, technology to international finance -- not to mention arms enforcement and national security. And we're just getting started here. If you ask politely, it will also take out the garbage and feed your cat.

You will notice that the government already has approximately 17 gazillion programs dealing with these very issues. So the wise pol might say to himself, "Eureka! Maybe I'll just fix the existing programs!" Yet this would entail actual work. Kucinich adheres to the Trophy-Wife Theory of Politics -- the art of looking good while doing nothing. Far better to simply write a bill that lends the appearance of work. Are you seeing the craftsmanship here?

But, for the sake of argument, let's pretend that one department could solve every problem in the world. Let's also concede that the Super Friends will be otherwise engaged with meteors crashing into Earth and that we'll have to staff it with normal human beings -- or at least government workers.

The U.S. Department of Labor needs exactly 16,132 people to perform one simple task: ensuring the right of your employer to screw you. But the Department of Peace covers everything but professional bass fishing. That means hiring approximately 17,345,782,349 new federal employees.

Now you're probably asking yourself, "Jeepers, isn't the government broke? How are we going to pay for all these people? Wouldn't it actually be cheaper to invade the entire Arab world -- plus Asia, if we have enough coffee?"

Fine questions indeed. But you're missing the point here. What does a trophy wife do when confronted with a staggering bill? She puts it on plastic, of course!

Through the miracle of debt, the department could send emissaries across the globe to "proactively engage the critical thinking skills of grade school" students and monitor the ever-popular "causative principles of conflict." This might not subdue strife, but it would stop it long enough for the warring factions to shoot anyone using the phrase "causative principles of conflict."

There are, however, lingering problems. Just because you have a department doesn't mean that it will foster peace. Presidents tend to hijack departments they don't like. Who can forget Reagan's Secretary of the Interior, James Watt, who had a deep appreciation of wildlife, as long as it was served with a nice béarnaise sauce? And let us not neglect the innumerable EPA chiefs who believed that coal-plant emissions are good for you, since you don't have to make car payments when you're dead. Under W., the department might well be staffed with indicted Enron execs and the night shift from Tex's Gun, Ammo & Liquor Depot.

Besides, like all bureaucracies, the Department of Peace would inevitably turn into one giant BMV, the world's largest producer of people who move really slow and hate their jobs. Even if it had the chance to, say, stop ethnic conflict in Somalia, it would refuse to get involved because no one would have the proper paperwork. You're in the wrong line, Mr. Warlord. I can't help you without title and registration.

Of course, Kucinich knows all this. He knows there is no money. He knows that, even if there were, his bill will never see the light of day. It's not meant to be a real plan; it's just a few pages of bullshit, designed to help him play a presidential contender on TV. It would actually be more effective to hire Oberlin stoners to traverse the globe with tanker-truck bongs. They could approach gang leaders and dog-beaters and Islamic fruitcakes alike. Dude, I've got some seriously kind bud. Wanna fire up the bong and watch "That '70s Show"? For those few hours, in that small corner of the world, peace would be had.

But trophy wives don't worry about effectiveness. They're only about dolling up the image staring back at them from the mirror.

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You're obviously one of those airheads from Oberlin. You act like Kookcinich is Jesus. He pawns the Big Lie to you suggestive children. Why hasn't peace been already implemented? Why do self absorbed adolescents who seem to think they're the first ones in history to conceive of peace act the way they do? Like it or not humans are animals and they wage war. Always have, and will unless or until there's a major physiological change, a major mutation.

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Others who switched, ISN'T SO SIMPLE to just change ONEs Mind
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Reading these comments, I have to assume that there is very little progressive thought here or even a prerequisite of desire for progressive thought. Everyone seems so apathetic, ignorant, and delusional with the issues and situations that make it fairly easy to get a handle on what is and has actually been happening in this country and around the world.

The so-called free trade agreements in place and being negotiated right now, the GMO controversy, global organizations such as the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, World Trade Organization, and others not quite so significant (but in concert with these despicable institutions) must be dealt with NOW! The debates here helps prove that most of the people in this country do not have a clue when it comes to important realities and possibilities.

Dennis Kucinich is a communicator. He talks about the problems and issues from the core out. This is his greatest attribute for me. He does not maneuver around looking for the words that people want to hear. He uses the best words, the simplest words so that most of the people can understand WHERE the issues and problems come from, HOW best to attack these things, and that NOW is the time to act.

Try reading some books! "No Logo" by Naomi Klein is fantastic! Eduardo Galeano is a must read, as is Howard Zinn, and Dr. Mendolson. Probably the most important thing these authors have shown me (besides the raw information) is how to find the most relevant "realities and possibilities."

progressives are like "intellectuals". They don't really exist, unless you believe they do.

Think about it. What does a progressive know that hasn't been pondered through the ages? When it comes to thoughts on the human condition, there are no new thoughts under the sun.

Progress does exist in a certain context: let us suppose that initially, things on the Earth were pretty good--pretty in balance, so to speak. (As the bible says, and I paraphrase, "after creating the world, God sat back and said, 'it is good.'") But then some ground was lost--some mistakes were made--and there was a need to re-establish the equalibrium that had once existed. Thus, the human struggle to regain a sustainable existence; thus, a movement from point A to point B; thus, the context in which "progress" is a useful term. So, it is true that there are no new ideas, and progress is just one of those old ideas.

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