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Army Ups School Reruitment
by Ian Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 2:41 PM
earbleedrecords@hotmail.com

Bowling Green, Ohio- ROTC is bringing officers into schools to take over classes for a day in hopes of getting more kids to enlist...

I'm a high school student in Bowling Green, and the other day a guy from the ROTC came in & took over my gym class. We were forced to go through military drills (attention, saluting, laps, jumping jacks, push ups, etc). Hmm, what does this have to do with physical education? Anyone showing any interest in the military was pressed to join, and of course he gave out shirts to some folks too. The recruiter said that having tables in the cafeteria hadn't been getting enough people enlisting, so this was their way to get more recruits. The day after, he was taking over one of the home ec classes all day. Supposedly the recruiters are going to be coming back to school pretty regularly doing this. I don't know if this is a national campaign, but if anyone else has seen this going on, I'd like to find out. Also, if anyone has any suggestions on how to stop the military from taking over my school, please contact me.

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This is just wrong!
by Students resist Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 3:45 PM

I feel students should resist on these days-
perhaps a good ol fashion sit in demanding you not be subjected to this treatment.

This is wrong!


with my middle finger extended I say
"recruit this!!!"

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More info
by mike Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 5:46 PM

Please let us know:

1. What high school you go to

and

2. When are they doing this again.

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Surprise!
by mike Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 7:19 PM

These kids are in for a real shocker when they join the military and find out it's more killing/getting killed than jumping through tires.

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Counter-Proposal
by anonymouse Saturday, Oct. 09, 2004 at 5:05 PM

You know what, i heard a really interesting idea one time, but I don't remember where from. Basically, the idea that military types should be allowed to recruit in school means that peace activists should be allowed to recruit in school as well. So find someone to set up their own table showing images of what war actually causes whenever you see a recruiter set up his table. Teach people to chant and think for themselves rather than subject themselves to indoctrination so that they might get the money to go to college. Creativity is a must!

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counter recruit
by ben frank Sunday, Oct. 10, 2004 at 2:35 PM

counter recruit...
poverty-draft.jpg, image/jpeg, 300x370

http://www.objector.org/

this site has lots of resources, including how to help kids that have signed up and would like to change their minds. The military threatens these kids with 'you can't change your mind' and 'you'll never get a job with a dishonorable discharge' bullshit- there are ways out, but the kids are isolated and don't have access to the info. they probably even filter their internet access to prevent them from learning the truth.

here is their 'military out of our schools' page
http://www.objector.org/recruiting.html

has a nice full size poster you can print, and lots more info for you to inform your classmates about this.

i suggest you ask the recruiters point blank, "Why are you a stooge for the military-industrial complex? Why should we become paid mercenaries, making a living killing civilians for the corporations? F#$% that!"

check out this ghetto boys track for more info
http://www.humorisdead.com/war/Ghetto%20Boys%20-%20Fuck%20A%20War.mp3
(foul language, but if you're old enough to kill and die, you can handle a few bad words, eh)

ok- gotta include these mp3s as well- all relevant (- ;
rt click save as, play for others, frequently ; -)

http://www.bumpsy.org/hb/supaclean-private_goodwell.mp3
http://www.lisarein.com/videos/peacesongs/greenday/lifeduringwar.mp3
http://ftp.radio4all.net/pub/archive/05.29.04/mlk2-waronpoor.mp3
http://ftp.radio4all.net/pub/archive/05.29.04/cynthia1-k66a.mp3
http://ftp.radio4all.net/pub/archive/05.29.04/cynthia2-k66a.mp3
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/seattle/media/2004/06/240833.mp3
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/seattle/media/2004/06/240857.mp3
(last two are mumia and malcom x mixes)


peace now
ben

more music here (- ;
http://www.benfrank.net/

ps- also contact your congressperson- they are all up for re-election.

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Get Parents Involved Now
by Phil Tuesday, Oct. 12, 2004 at 9:57 AM
Cleveland

You are in need of adult help. You need parents to complain to your school to deny these recruiters to your classes. You are correct that "saluting" has nothing to do with Phy. Ed.. What does cooking class have to do with Ready To Eat Meals the grunts are eating in Iraq today? If I were a parent with a child in your school I'd be physically at the principle's office and hold accountable anyone else up to the board of eduction and to the city council and mayor. I'd also call up the Cleveland TV news and expose this dispicable behaviour by the school and invited in recruiters.

For this action by the school and recruiters together as a parent I would insist and demand that the recruiters be banned from public school property in Oberlin. A school is NEVER a military base of operations. There is a difference between indoctrination and education, and your school faculty, school board, and city officials are guilty of not making this distinction using schools tax dollars meant for education, not propaganda. Put it on the TV news casts from Cleveland immediately, today. CALL THE CLEVELAND TV STATIONS WITH THIS NOW.

Question: Do the recruiters tell you how to die at home with no VA recognition of your Gulf War diseases including depleted uranium gas from illegal U.S. munitions? Depleted uranium is radio active nuclear material. It's a nuke. It's illegal. The war in Iraq is illegal. This is all being done by the civilian heirarchy illegally. Who in the world can stop the U.S. and impose human justice to this illegal madness. It's the civilian grass roots that must stop this. It's you and your parents and your neighbors. Get going now!

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Get Parents Involved Now
by Phil Tuesday, Oct. 12, 2004 at 9:59 AM
Cleveland

You are in need of adult help. You need parents to complain to your school to deny these recruiters to your classes. You are correct that "saluting" has nothing to do with Phy. Ed.. What does cooking class have to do with Ready To Eat Meals the grunts are eating in Iraq today? If I were a parent with a child in your school I'd be physically at the principle's office and hold accountable anyone else up to the board of eduction and to the city council and mayor. I'd also call up the Cleveland TV news and expose this dispicable behaviour by the school and invited in recruiters.

For this action by the school and recruiters together as a parent I would insist and demand that the recruiters be banned from public school property in Oberlin. A school is NEVER a military base of operations. There is a difference between indoctrination and education, and your school faculty, school board, and city officials are guilty of not making this distinction using schools tax dollars meant for education, not propaganda. Put it on the TV news casts from Cleveland immediately, today. CALL THE CLEVELAND TV STATIONS WITH THIS NOW.

Question: Do the recruiters tell you how to die at home with no VA recognition of your Gulf War diseases including depleted uranium gas from illegal U.S. munitions? Depleted uranium is radio active nuclear material. It's a nuke. It's illegal. The war in Iraq is illegal. This is all being done by the civilian heirarchy illegally. Who in the world can stop the U.S. and impose human justice to this illegal madness? It's the civilian grass roots that must stop this. It's you and your parents and your neighbors. Get going now!

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stop the recruiters
by m.j. Tuesday, Oct. 12, 2004 at 12:21 PM

there are some great educational materials that Not In Our Name has available to get out to students about the truth where military recruters are concerned. Log on to http://www.notinourname.net to link up with folks who are actively working to throw the bumbs out of the campuses. I'm sure you can find plenty of info there and flyers htat can be downloaded to start your own anti-ROTC campaign. These vampires have no shame and will do whatever it takes to keep feeding the military machine with plenty of youth to die and kill for their next rich man's war.I say we must speak out and RESIST. Another world is possible.

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Phil
by mike Tuesday, Oct. 12, 2004 at 3:24 PM

I strongly agree, that these kids should be getting their parents involved immediately to put a stop to this and bring attention to it. I have strong doubts, however, that either will happen.

Considering the strong "support our troops" sentiment sweeping the nation, it would probably be viewed as "un-patriotic" to question recruiting methods. Parents would probably be intimidated to complain, and the media would definitely be wary of seeming "unamerican".

In other words, these students should do all they can, but it isn't gonna be easy. They've got some big hurdles to overcome, but I think if there's even a couple students that devote some time to it, they can really bring attention.

A student protest with the proper media notices might start the ball rolling. Hopefully parents will participate as well (since they probably don't want to see their kid bamboozled into fighting, and possibly dying/disfigured, in a war).

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I Think We May Agree?
by mking Tuesday, Oct. 12, 2004 at 6:10 PM
mking_usa@yahoo.com

I've always felt the various military services have as much right to set up recruiting booths at high school and community colleges as any university does. On the other hand, I agree with Mike and everyone else on this particular case. Taking over classes is a little much! Kent State's football coach never took over my gym class for a day and this RTOC guy should not have been allowed to either. The military, like colleges, offer activities away from the high schools to any high school student interested in serving. Colleges offer weekend trips to tour the campus, the military many times offers weekend trips to boot camp type facilities or Ranger training, that type of thing. That should be the extent of it. It should not be forced upon the students.

M

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fuck tha rotc
by ian Tuesday, Oct. 19, 2004 at 3:48 PM

thanks a lot for the sites and support, everyone. i'll keep you updated on what happens...

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Sr.
by David Jordan Friday, Oct. 29, 2004 at 1:02 PM

I would first like to say that takin over classes of any kind is the most repugnant and unthoughtful act that the gov't could have come up with. Teachers losing time when the pressures of proficiencies loom ever larger is counterintuitive. However, before everyone shits all over ROTC, the military has most assuredly give the oppurtunity of higher education to many folks (even if you run the risk of getting shot in the face).

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...
by ian Tuesday, Nov. 02, 2004 at 7:27 PM

actually, the army doesn't give shit. the gi bill requires soldiers to give them a thousand or so $, and most of the time ends up not paying for college. most of the army's "benefits" are bold-faced lies...

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re
by brent omalley Wednesday, Nov. 03, 2004 at 10:18 AM

"Hmm, what does this have to do with physical education?" did you know that gym was created in public schools to get young men in shape for the military. yup fucked up huh. you should organize you class to resist this pimp next time he shows up. in chicago the navy is trying to aquire a highshool to turn it into a naval academy. there has been lots of resistance from teachers parents and students check this link http://chicago.indymedia.org/index.php?limit_start=10 if that does not work co to the chicago imc site at the bottom of the page click 3 and scroll to the bottom of the new page and vwala

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Walk
by Walkout Friday, Nov. 05, 2004 at 2:02 PM

Walk out next time and take all your friends with you

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Walk
by Walkout Friday, Nov. 05, 2004 at 2:05 PM

Walk out next time and take all your friends with you

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millitary nation
by dont take this Monday, Nov. 08, 2004 at 5:39 PM

Yeah, it sucks that our nation is still so darn millitaristic. even those of us with out a y-chromosome (read: girls) are gettign worried about this because they will probably try to draft girls too this time. And even if they didn't, we don't want to see our cousins, brothers,friends, boyfriends, and other guys we know get sent off like so many animals to be butchered to meet our country's imperialistic demands. We don't all want a war and I don't think anyone should have to fight in a war they sure didn't ask for. Also, there's the "Backdoor draft" with enlisted guys being told they will get sent to Iraq if they don't re-enlist. Voting for Bush was the worst thing our nation could've done ( well, except vote for Nazis or something). Yet's hope he keeps his word and doesn't start a draft. ( that would be a first for him.)

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Sigh...
by Akula Wednesday, Nov. 10, 2004 at 12:10 AM

God forbid the entirely volunteer military try to recruit people. Maybe you dont give a shit about the military, and will never even think of joining it (which is not a bad thing at all), but you can't speak for your classmates.

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Yeah
by mike Wednesday, Nov. 10, 2004 at 8:27 PM

You're classmates might WANT to kill innocent people or be killed/maimed themselves. And that's why the military has to take over high school classes, right? Because that way they can lie, manipulate, and coerce their way into making kids who've only seen war on video games "want" to join.

This country's military hasn't had a single justified intervention since WWII. Not a single conflict since or before has been necessary to preserve "freedom", only to expand the US sphere of influence and plunder the resources/land of another people already poorer than us. In the process, thousands upon thousands of US troops, manipulated into thinking the military fights for "freedom", have been killed.

This is not something to be proud of or encourage children to be a part of. A 15 year old high school kid does not understand what war is, and there's no way they'll be told the truth by recruiters.

Yeah, some high school kids may "want" to go into war, where they either kill people or be killed themselves for the richest 1%. Hell, some kids might "want" to smoke cigarettes too, but that doesn't mean Phillip Morris should be going into gym classes and tell the kids about how "cool" smoking is (maybe even make them smoke fake "training" cigarettes). Ironically, whether you smoke or join the military, it's probably gonna kill ya.

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tactics
by juliestout Thursday, Nov. 11, 2004 at 9:01 AM

I think the best way t o deal with a situation like this happening in the future if you can get a group of parents and other adults in the community who are against this sort of recruiting is to have a phone tree organized of people who can drop whatever they are doing during school hours and go directly to the school and to the superintendent's office WHILE THE RECRUITER IS STILL THERE. If you've got 4 adults to go to the superintendent's office, 4 to go to the principal's office, and you have any other adults to spare, you can send them directly to the gym class to "liberate" it.

Part of the recruiter's schtick is to try to appear like your friend, a good guy who's going to help you out and show you the way, like he's doing you a favor. Having to confront a bunch of people who are like, "We don't want you here. Get out," is going to, in the least, make the recruiter feel extremely uncomfortable. He knows he's not going to be able to recruit anyone THAT day. In order to keep up the appearance that he is a "good guy," he is going to apologize and leave immediately when confronted by a group of parents who tell him to leave.

I guarantee this will cause the gym teacher to rise to the top of the superintendent's shit list, even if the superintendent is a prowar fascist. School officials do not want parents at the school. Follow-up calls to school board members are also vital. If a board member gets 20 calls at home on a Tuesday night, you can guarantee that she will be in contact with the superintendent first thing Wednesday morning wanting to know exactly what the hell is going on over at your high school.

Furthermore, any way you feel comfortable confronting the recruiter yourself, go for it! I am of the opinion that the more bullshit you can throw at this guy, the less he is going to look forward to coming back to your school. If it were me, I would directly confront him and do whatever nonviolent action was in my power to disrupt the proceedings. It will certainly be unnerving for him if you are, for example, chanting at the top of your lungs, calling him an asshole, making disparaging remarks about his mother, etc. And in the process, if your demonstration against being recruited pisses off your gym teacher enough, if he's anything like (some of) the gym teachers I knew when I was in school, the teacher might even come over and kick your ass, in which case, you could probably sue the school district for their entire annual budget, and at any rate, the recruiters would NOT be coming back.

My guess is that the gym teacher invited the recruiter to come in without the knowledge or approval of administration because the teacher did not think that it was a big deal. Some people are just ignorant and don't realize that any of their students' parents might object. Once he has to hear about it from the superintendent's office, he won't make that mistake again.
Peace,
Julie
P.S. I have some vague idea that the federal law that allows recruiters to have access to information about students has a clause where parents can "opt out" by sending a letter to the school saying they don't want they child to be part of any recruiting activities. If nothing else, have your parents send a letter to the principal, superintendent, and school board demanding that you, their minor child, not be subjected to military recruitment while at school. Particularly if you object to recruitment activity for religious reasons, for example, if you conscientiously object to war, like I do, then once the school is notified of your religious objections to being compelled to participate in military exercises, any future attempts to recruit you on school property will be in violation of your First Amendment right to freedom of religion.

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A Former Recruiter Speaks Out
by Fuck the Troops and Their War Crimes Monday, Nov. 29, 2004 at 7:22 PM

November 18, 2004
Recruiting Teenagers as War Fodder
Sign Here, Kid

By MIKE FERNER

He trolled for teenagers in North Carolina high schools, barked orders at recruits in boot camp, and pulled charred civilian corpses out of cars in Iraq. Now Jimmy Massey is making good on his promise to tell the whole world what he learned as a Marine.

For the first 10 years, Massey loved being in the USMC. With a quick mind and an easy manner, he and his superiors knew he'd make a great recruiter. And by the luck of the draw, he was assigned to the area around Asheville, N.C., not far from where he grew up.

"It was an advantage being a recruiter in this area. I understand the mentality of mountain people. When we'd talk about topics like the economy and industry around here, I knew what people were talking about. And too, people here usually don't open up to strangers."

Contrary to what some believe, Marine Corps recruiters don't get paid commission for going over quota, the 32-year-old former staff sergeant explained. "My monthly quota was three in the summer and two in the winter. You could get five one month but still go from hero to zero next month when you started over again."

Recruiters are, however, "one of only three Military Occupational Specialties (MOS) in the Marines that get Special Duty Assignment (SDA) pay an extra $475 a month when I was in to offset the higher cost of living when you're a recruiter," he said. "An E-5 recruiter would make about $1,500 every two weeks including SDA pay. But being a recruiter is expensive. There's extra costs. When you're a recruiter, you've got to play the part."

Bling, Promises, and the "Moment of Truth"

"For example, you have to have a nice car you can't go rolling down the street in some old family wagon. You can't be sittin' there talking to a kid about financial stability and driving an old Ford Ranger. That just don't get it!" He said he drove a Mustang for his personal car, and Army recruiters he knew drove "decked-out Expeditions with 20-inch rims. You have to have a little 'bling' [gold, jewelry, etc.] on you that kind of thing. I made sure I always dressed nice when I was off duty. You gotta play the part. Young kids are really materialistic minded."

Then there's the everyday expenses of recruiting, "like taking a guy to Hooters for some wings. The government gives me a credit card, but it's in my name and the bill comes to me. I have to pay it and then get reimbursed."

Often the biggest enticement a recruiter can offer young men and women trying to escape poverty is the promise of job training, even more appealing when it's for a MOS in data systems, aircraft electronics, aircraft crew chief, or other sought-after specialties. But as Massey acknowledged, "The Marine Corps can guarantee you a job all day long, but that doesn't mean you're going to actually get it."

A common way to swindle recruits out of promised jobs is the "Moment of Truth" exercise in boot camp. New recruits are taken to a room where their DI (drill instructor) tells them to "really think about it" and see if they've lied while enlisting or filling out their application.

"They'll ask the recruits if they lied about things like ever having smoked grass, or maybe how many times they've smoked, and ask them to raise their hand if they've lied any time in the recruiting process," Massey said. When the hands go up, the DI looks at them and says, "Listen. This is what's gonna happen now. You lied to us. You can either quit in disgrace now, or since you signed a contract to be a Marine, you can stay in, but we're not going to let you have the job you asked for."

"Investigations" and Private Eyes

"There's a whole network within the community to enable recruiters to make their quotas the sheriff's department, police department, schools all the way up to the local congressional office."

Massey recalled that at one point, "There was a congressional investigation brought up against me. I enlisted someone who was handicapped. I should have been in deep sh*t, but the Marine Corps swept it under the rug by stating that the kid had fraudulently enlisted. I got a call from Congressman Charles Taylor congratulating me on the work I had been doing, and he sent me an autographed picture."

"A recruiter is like a private eye," Massey said. "They know everything about the kids they're recruiting."

For example, he learned the names of virtually every graduating high school senior in his seven-county district about 1,000 youngsters annually in that largely rural area.

And high school students weren't the only people he got to know well. "We knew the names of the district attorneys [DAs] in every county and went to them to get certain charges reduced or dismissed on kids we were recruiting. We took flowers to the secretaries in the clerk of courts offices. The clerk of courts can make a lot of things appear and disappear. We got to know people working in hospital medical records so we could check out, say, if a certain kid had asthma or not. We'd ask other kids 'what about Johnny Smith?' to find out if he had problems or if he might be interested."

He explained the Marines' Systematic Recruiting method that includes use of a working file of Prospective Applicant Cards on which information is routinely entered. "I'd put all the information down that I knew maybe Johnny Smith had some problems with the law. That's when I'd go to the DA and ask if Johnny was salvageable. If he was, I'd tell the DA, 'well, I talked with Johnny and he's thinking of going into the Marine Corps.' More likely than not the response I got would be, 'Oh yeah? Well, that's just great!'"

Massey said three years as a recruiter taught him "the power of the English language."

"One way we used it was to identify 'tangible and intangible traits' in applicants. We would use cards with words printed on them, like 'self confidence,' or 'financial security' and ask an applicant to pick ones they were concerned about. That way, if a kid picks 'self confidence,' he's telling you he feels like he's lacking in self confidence and you can work him from that angle."

For potential recruits with a record of criminal convictions, Massey pointed out that, "Anything is pretty much waivable in the Marine Corps even up to one felony."

Potentially life-threatening medical conditions were also waivable, according to Massey. "Johnny might come to see me his senior year and say, 'Sarge, I'm wondering if I might have something that might disqualify me I've got asthma.'"

"I'd ask him if he uses an inhaler. If he answered 'yes,' I'd tell him that if he controlled it with an inhaler then he really didn't have asthma. Then I'd tell him to give me 10 pushups. If he did that with no trouble, I'd say, 'See, you don't have asthma!'"

He described his time as a recruiter as progressively more and more difficult. By his last year at it, 2002, he was "tired of lying. I felt like I was close to a nervous breakdown from the stress. I started seeing a psychiatrist, was diagnosed with major depression and put on medication for it. I wrote a letter to my commanding officer about how Marine Corps recruiting should be changed to be more ethical. The Recruiter Instructor they sent out to monitor my efforts ended up telling me he thought it was one of the best statements anyone had ever written about recruiting practices."

Massey decided to quit being a recruiter but also to reenlist to get back to "the regular Marine Corps duty" he enjoyed. Leaving behind the deceit and stress of recruiting made him feel much better "good enough to get off anti-depressants." But soon he got orders to northern Kuwait and within two months was invading Iraq with 130,000 other U.S. troops.

"We Just Lit 'Em Up"

As he made his way north toward Baghdad, through the towns of Safwan and Basra, "our main job was to set up roadblocks. We had permission to fire on anyone who got through them."

It was this experience, barely an instant compared with his dozen years in the Marines, that showed him a side of the military he'd not seen as an instructor at Parris Island or a recruiter.

"In one 48-hour period, we killed over 30 civilians in vehicles that got past our roadblocks. We just lit 'em up with gunfire. But when we went to pull the charred corpses out of the cars we never found any weapons. They were just civilians. I could start feeling the depression come back. I knew what it was from."

In a meeting one day, his lieutenant asked him if he was feeling OK. Massey replied no, and told the lieutenant that "we're committing genocide and leaving enough depleted uranium around to continue genocidal activity for a long time."

"Do you really believe that?" the lieutenant asked.

"Yes," replied Massey, "or I wouldn't have said it."

"I knew my career in the Marine Corps was over at that point," he added.

Sent back to the States for medical reasons, Massey returned to the Marine base at 29 Palms, Calif., and was told to report to the mental health clinic. There, the first psychiatrist he spoke with told him, "I don't deal with conscientious objectors [COs]."

"I knew right away we were going to have a problem," Massey said, "because my response to her was, 'Well, if you call not wanting to kill innocent civilians being a CO' and she came back with, 'Need I remind you that you are still in the military?'"

Refusing to back down, Massey retorted, "Woman, this isn't my military because the Marine Corps I enlisted in was run by the Geneva Conventions. We didn't kill civilians, and we damn sure didn't cover it up."

Later, in a meeting with a senior non-commissioned officer (NCO), he was asked, "What's wrong?" But when Massey responded, the NCO interrupted him so he could open a desk drawer and turn on a tape recorder. Massey told the NCO he knew he was soon on his way out of the Marines, and told him, "I don't want your money. I don't want your benefits nothin'! Not with what y'all did over there in Iraq killing civilians."

Massey said he knew he would need an attorney before talking with his superiors again, so he located one in a copy of the Marine Corps Times. "Next meeting I had with the psychiatrist, my attorney talked with her on the phone. She was completely different when she got off the phone with him."

Asked what advice he would give to a teenager thinking of visiting a military recruiter, Massey thought a moment and answered, "Take a veteran with you to the recruiter. We're never going to stop that one kid bound and determined to play Rambo, but getting the facts out, educating kids on what really goes on is important. That's why I keep speaking out."

Indeed, Massey put the Marines on notice just before he left. He informed a colonel, "The moment I get out of here I'm going to tell the whole world what I've learned."

Mike Ferner is a member of Veterans for Peace from Toledo, Ohio. He returned from a second trip to Iraq earlier this year. He can be reached at: mike.ferner@sbcglobal.net

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