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It is a matter of history that when Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps, he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.
He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the track of history some b*stard will get up and say that this never happened'

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing'
Edmund Burke

Look at Rwanda. Look at Darfur.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1208870534661&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Jewish leaders concocted the mass murder of handicapped Jews in order to keep from having to support them, and this murder is what the Jews term "the Holocaust," according to a documentary special that aired on April 18 on Hamas's Al Aqsa television station.

According to the documentary's narrator, Israel's first prime minister David Ben Gurion decided that Jewish "disabled and handicapped are a burden to the state," after which "the Satanic Jews" - the film cuts to a picture of a hassidic Jew - "thought up an evil plot to be rid of the burden of disabled and handicapped" - the film then cuts to piles of emaciated corpses - "in twisted criminal ways."

"This is official Hamas TV," explained PMW director Itamar Marcus. "It's owned and totally controlled by the Hamas leadership in Gaza, and it goes out by satellite to the whole Arab-speaking world."

Eisenhower order pictures of "death camps"? How?

According the holocaust story, the alleged "death camps" were not in germany, where US troops could have taken pictures, but were alleged to be in Poland, Ukrain, etc. Did Eisenhower supply his soldiers with cameras that can take pictures from hundreds of miles away??? Not too likely.

yep, those pictures are evidence of something. But death camps? No, those pictures are evidence of the thypus epidemic. Thypus is a killer, as the red cross pointed out was killing the prisoners in the slave labor camps.

And allied bombing of the German railroads and bridges didn't help the NAZI commanders get food and medicine to the goverment run camps. Destroy the government that supplies the camps with the essentials of life, and then act suprized when those camps don't get what the red cross said goverment had been supplying.

Never forget? Eisenhower could not have ordered his men to photograph "death camps" that they never even went to. the most he could have ordered them to take pictures of was slave labor camps that he knew suffered from epidemics and allied bombing that cut off those camps from all of the NAZI goverment's support.

Holocaust denial? A new low even for Prion Party

Liberation of the Nazi Concentration Camps 1933-1945
The information and quotes in this timeline is from the book Inside the Vicious Heart written by Robert H. Abzug.

1933 - American newspapers and magazines reported the existence of concentration camps in early 1933, when Dachau first slammed its gate shut on a group of Communists and other political enemies of the Nazis. The camps had gained reputations for harsh and sadistic treatment of prisoners.

1937 - Buchenwald was built by the Nazis as a camp for political prisoners like German Communists and Social Democrats. Between 1937-8, Jews were added as Germany's anti-Semitic campaign was set in motion. With a population of 15,000 prisoners, the camp was one of slave labor, with German Communists at the top.

August 18, 1940 - Hans Frank, Nazi governor of occupied Poland, announces plans to make Cracow free of Jews, declaring, "the Jews must vanish from the face of the earth."

1941 - In eastern Alsace, up a winding road from the village of Natzwiller, the Nazis built a labor camp, Natzweiler-Struthof, the only concentration camp on French soil. The inmates originally were German who were to supply labor for building V-2 factories in man-made caves dug out of the Vosges Mountains. The prisoners would live in the cold, damp tunnels as they built them.

1943 - Natzweiler-Struthof was expanded by the Nazis with the installation of a gas chamber and crematory for the mass killing of Jews, Gypsies, and captured Resistance fighters from Holland, Belgium, and France. Under Paragraph 175 of the German legal code, male homosexuality was punished by imprisonment, but not female lesbianism. After 1943, male homosexuals were forced to wear a pink trangle and were sent to the death camps. The Americans did not repeal Paragraph 175 and sent homosexual inmates liberated from the camps to other prisons.

July 24, 1944 - At Lublin in Poland, Red Army soldiers discovered the abandoned Majdanek extermination camp, the first major camp to be liberated. Despite hasty efforts of the Germans to burn the camp to hide its purpose, the Russians found the remains of gas chambers. During the next month, Soviet troops liberated the abandoned Belzec and Sobibor and Treblinka extermination camps.

August 31 1944 - The SS began the evacuation of the Natzweiler-Struthof camp as Allied troops approached; 2000 prisoners died on the death march to Dachau.

September 1944 - American reporters visited Lublin and the Majdanek camp in Poland. Stories with pictures of a warehouse bursting with 800,000 shoes that had once belonged to Nazi victims were widely published.

October 26, 1944 - Canadian forces liberated the abandoned Vught concentration camp in the Netherlands.

November 23 1944 - The French Army entered the abandoned Natzweiler-Struthof camp in Alsace.

December 5, 1944 - The New York Times's Milton Bracker toured the abandoned site of the Natzweiler-Struthof camp, explaining, "It might have been a Civilian Conservation Corps camp, from the winding road to the bald hilltop, the sturdy green barrack buildings looked exactly like those that housed forestry trainees in the United States during the early New Deal." Members of the Free French showed Bracker a small dark room with almost fifty S-shaped hooks suspended from metal rods on the ceiling. Prisoners hung from the hooks by their bound wrists before Zyklon-B gas was pumped into the room to kill them. A dissection room, with an autopsy table , and a small storage room crammed with burial urns was also discovered. Reportedly 16,000 persons had come as prisoners to Natzwiller between late 1941 and the evacuation in the summer of 1944, and 4,000 perished.

December 9, 1944 - Americans Colonel Paul Kirk and Lt. Colonel Edward J. Gully of the American Sixth Army Group arrived to inspect Natzweiler-Struthof. They duly reported their findings: a disinfestation unit, a large pile of human hair, a gas chamber, an incinerator room with equipment intended for the burning of human bodies, a cell room and an autopsy room. After their first-hand look and detailed report to war crimes investigators, they retained a certain measure of disbelief, or "double vision" as Bracker described it. The correlation between the remains of the camp and millions dead could not be grasped even on personal inspection. This "double vision" was as much a story as the discovery of the camp itself. The term came from the first Great War when false propaganda about German atrocities was widely reported. Many remembered this and thought perhaps the reports coming from Europe to the United States were false too. However, Bracker attributed the disbelief to simply the inability to conceive the magnitude and detail of the horror. "Double vision" was typical of many American officers in France, who infuriated local populations by doubting and sometimes even scoffing at stories of German inhumanity.

January 27, 1945 - Soviet Army liberated Auschwitz, the largest Nazi death camp.
Ohrdruf from Patch-NA

April 5, 1945 - In search of secret Nazi communications along the Autobahn, units of the American Fourth Armored Division of the Third Army moved on Gotha and Ohrdruf, discovering the first of the camps containing prisoners and corpses to be uncovered by American armies. 10,000 men had lived and slaved at Ohrdruf. Near the end, the SS had marched the prisoners to other camps, known as death marches, or killed them. Ohrdruf was a minor sub-camp of Buchenwald, and on the edge of the camp was a gigantic pit, where the Nazi's had stacked bodies and wood and burned them. Ohrdruf had actually been discovered by accident. After the Americans had taken the town where part of the communications center was located, reconnoitering troops found the main gate to the camp just over the crest of a small hill. Corpses in striped uniforms were found right inside the gate. Some found were alive, others long since dead. One man greeted the first American soldiers, as he gave them a tour, a Polish prisoner came up to him, and in full sight of the Americans, hit him with a piece of lumber and stabbed him to death. The dead man had been a guard parading as a prisoner. Ohrdruf was significant as the first camp that contained both the starved, frail bodies of hundreds and the prisoners who had managed to survive. The revelation of the horror, the mutually exclusive desires to remember and to forget, would serve to mark the loss of innocence of the entire world.
Jewish Buchenwald prisoners would be liberated and eventually sent to Palestine, from Patch-NA

April 11, 1945 - North of Ohrdruf, near the town of Nordhausen, the American Timberwolf Division came upon 3,000 corpses and more than seven hundred barely surviving inmates. Both living and dead lay in two double-decker barracks, piled three to a bunk. The rooms reeked of death and excrement. Victims of starvation and tuberculosis, the prisoners had also suffered from American bombing of the V-2 factories just one week before. Fred Bohm, an Austrian-born American soldier who helped liberate Nordhausen described that his fellow American G.I.'s "had no particular feeling for fighting the Germans. They also thought that any stories they had read in the paper, or that I had told them out of first- hand experience, were either not true or at least exaggerated. And it did not sink in, what this was all about, until we got into Nordhausen." The disbelief of Americans in general, and American soldiers specifically, exemplifies the "double vision" of the human psyche, when one man is forced to face the evidence of torture inflicted on another, only to realize his own helplessness, consequently he represses all emotion, all senses, he becomes numb. American Combat Team 9 of the 9th Armored Infantry Battalion, Sixth Armored Division, captured the town of Hottelstedt. 50 Russian prisoners emerged from the woods and said they were from Buchenwald just to the southeast. Buchenwald had 30,000 prisoners in a pyramid of power, with German Communists at the top and living in the main barracks, and Jews and Gypsies at the bottom, living on the outskirts, in Little Camp, as assortment of barns. Buchenwald barrack prisoners were reasonably healthy-looking and ready to assist in administering food. Little Camp was a nightmare with 1,000 to 1,200 prisoners in a space meant for 450. In Germany in Defeat, Percy Knauth described Little Camp's prisoners as, "emaciated beyond all imagination or description. Their legs and arms were sticks with huge bulging joints, and their loins were fouled by their own excrement. Their eyes were sunk so deep that they looked blind. If they moved at all, it was with a crawling slowness that made them look like huge, lethargic spiders. Many just lay in their bunks as if dead." The smell of Little Camp, the smell emanating from discarded, decaying flesh, burning bodies, and an open concrete ditch that serviced as the latrine, was indescribable. Even after liberation, twenty prisoners in each Little Camp block died a day. They were gnomes, sticklike figures with sunken eyes who would hobble forward to cry and yell at the sight of their liberators.
Eisenhower from Patch-NA

April 12, 1945 - Generals George Patton, Omar Bradley,and Dwight Eisenhower arrived in Ohrdruf. They saw more than 3,200 naked, emaciated bodies that had been flung into shallow graves. Eisenhower insisted on seeing the entire camp: a shed piled to the ceiling with bodies, various torture devices, and a butcher's block used for smashing gold fillings from the mouths of the dead. Patton became physically ill behind the barracks. Eisenhower felt that it was necessary for his troops to see for themselves, and the world to know about the conditions at Ohrdruf. The day ended with news that Roosevelt had died. Many American soldiers did not know what they were fighting for. Eisenhower realized that it was imperative for the soldiers to at least understand what they were fighting against. He wanted the world to know of the conditions at Ohrdruf. His message to Washington read: "We are constantly finding German camps in which they have placed political prisoners where unspeakable conditions exist. From my own personal observation, I can state unequivocally that all written statements up to now do not paint the full horrors."

April 29, 1945 - American forces liberated Dachau, the first concentration camp built in 1933,

Sources:
National Monument Camp Vught and official site
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum includes Liberation of Nazi Camps in the Holocaust Encyclopedia
WWII Timeline includes Holocaust and Bombing Auschwitz and Auschwitz by Michelle Frazer; Raoul Wallenberg by Robert Beamer; The Final Solution by Lisa Casillas
Liberation of the Nazi Concentration Camps 1933-1945
The information and quotes in this timeline is from the book Inside the Vicious Heart written by Robert H. Abzug.

1933 - American newspapers and magazines reported the existence of concentration camps in early 1933, when Dachau first slammed its gate shut on a group of Communists and other political enemies of the Nazis. The camps had gained reputations for harsh and sadistic treatment of prisoners.

1937 - Buchenwald was built by the Nazis as a camp for political prisoners like German Communists and Social Democrats. Between 1937-8, Jews were added as Germany's anti-Semitic campaign was set in motion. With a population of 15,000 prisoners, the camp was one of slave labor, with German Communists at the top.

August 18, 1940 - Hans Frank, Nazi governor of occupied Poland, announces plans to make Cracow free of Jews, declaring, "the Jews must vanish from the face of the earth."

1941 - In eastern Alsace, up a winding road from the village of Natzwiller, the Nazis built a labor camp, Natzweiler-Struthof, the only concentration camp on French soil. The inmates originally were German who were to supply labor for building V-2 factories in man-made caves dug out of the Vosges Mountains. The prisoners would live in the cold, damp tunnels as they built them.

1943 - Natzweiler-Struthof was expanded by the Nazis with the installation of a gas chamber and crematory for the mass killing of Jews, Gypsies, and captured Resistance fighters from Holland, Belgium, and France. Under Paragraph 175 of the German legal code, male homosexuality was punished by imprisonment, but not female lesbianism. After 1943, male homosexuals were forced to wear a pink trangle and were sent to the death camps. The Americans did not repeal Paragraph 175 and sent homosexual inmates liberated from the camps to other prisons.

July 24, 1944 - At Lublin in Poland, Red Army soldiers discovered the abandoned Majdanek extermination camp, the first major camp to be liberated. Despite hasty efforts of the Germans to burn the camp to hide its purpose, the Russians found the remains of gas chambers. During the next month, Soviet troops liberated the abandoned Belzec and Sobibor and Treblinka extermination camps.

August 31 1944 - The SS began the evacuation of the Natzweiler-Struthof camp as Allied troops approached; 2000 prisoners died on the death march to Dachau.

September 1944 - American reporters visited Lublin and the Majdanek camp in Poland. Stories with pictures of a warehouse bursting with 800,000 shoes that had once belonged to Nazi victims were widely published.

October 26, 1944 - Canadian forces liberated the abandoned Vught concentration camp in the Netherlands.

November 23 1944 - The French Army entered the abandoned Natzweiler-Struthof camp in Alsace.

December 5, 1944 - The New York Times's Milton Bracker toured the abandoned site of the Natzweiler-Struthof camp, explaining, "It might have been a Civilian Conservation Corps camp, from the winding road to the bald hilltop, the sturdy green barrack buildings looked exactly like those that housed forestry trainees in the United States during the early New Deal." Members of the Free French showed Bracker a small dark room with almost fifty S-shaped hooks suspended from metal rods on the ceiling. Prisoners hung from the hooks by their bound wrists before Zyklon-B gas was pumped into the room to kill them. A dissection room, with an autopsy table , and a small storage room crammed with burial urns was also discovered. Reportedly 16,000 persons had come as prisoners to Natzwiller between late 1941 and the evacuation in the summer of 1944, and 4,000 perished.

December 9, 1944 - Americans Colonel Paul Kirk and Lt. Colonel Edward J. Gully of the American Sixth Army Group arrived to inspect Natzweiler-Struthof. They duly reported their findings: a disinfestation unit, a large pile of human hair, a gas chamber, an incinerator room with equipment intended for the burning of human bodies, a cell room and an autopsy room. After their first-hand look and detailed report to war crimes investigators, they retained a certain measure of disbelief, or "double vision" as Bracker described it. The correlation between the remains of the camp and millions dead could not be grasped even on personal inspection. This "double vision" was as much a story as the discovery of the camp itself. The term came from the first Great War when false propaganda about German atrocities was widely reported. Many remembered this and thought perhaps the reports coming from Europe to the United States were false too. However, Bracker attributed the disbelief to simply the inability to conceive the magnitude and detail of the horror. "Double vision" was typical of many American officers in France, who infuriated local populations by doubting and sometimes even scoffing at stories of German inhumanity.

January 27, 1945 - Soviet Army liberated Auschwitz, the largest Nazi death camp.
Ohrdruf from Patch-NA

April 5, 1945 - In search of secret Nazi communications along the Autobahn, units of the American Fourth Armored Division of the Third Army moved on Gotha and Ohrdruf, discovering the first of the camps containing prisoners and corpses to be uncovered by American armies. 10,000 men had lived and slaved at Ohrdruf. Near the end, the SS had marched the prisoners to other camps, known as death marches, or killed them. Ohrdruf was a minor sub-camp of Buchenwald, and on the edge of the camp was a gigantic pit, where the Nazi's had stacked bodies and wood and burned them. Ohrdruf had actually been discovered by accident. After the Americans had taken the town where part of the communications center was located, reconnoitering troops found the main gate to the camp just over the crest of a small hill. Corpses in striped uniforms were found right inside the gate. Some found were alive, others long since dead. One man greeted the first American soldiers, as he gave them a tour, a Polish prisoner came up to him, and in full sight of the Americans, hit him with a piece of lumber and stabbed him to death. The dead man had been a guard parading as a prisoner. Ohrdruf was significant as the first camp that contained both the starved, frail bodies of hundreds and the prisoners who had managed to survive. The revelation of the horror, the mutually exclusive desires to remember and to forget, would serve to mark the loss of innocence of the entire world.
Jewish Buchenwald prisoners would be liberated and eventually sent to Palestine, from Patch-NA

April 11, 1945 - North of Ohrdruf, near the town of Nordhausen, the American Timberwolf Division came upon 3,000 corpses and more than seven hundred barely surviving inmates. Both living and dead lay in two double-decker barracks, piled three to a bunk. The rooms reeked of death and excrement. Victims of starvation and tuberculosis, the prisoners had also suffered from American bombing of the V-2 factories just one week before. Fred Bohm, an Austrian-born American soldier who helped liberate Nordhausen described that his fellow American G.I.'s "had no particular feeling for fighting the Germans. They also thought that any stories they had read in the paper, or that I had told them out of first- hand experience, were either not true or at least exaggerated. And it did not sink in, what this was all about, until we got into Nordhausen." The disbelief of Americans in general, and American soldiers specifically, exemplifies the "double vision" of the human psyche, when one man is forced to face the evidence of torture inflicted on another, only to realize his own helplessness, consequently he represses all emotion, all senses, he becomes numb. American Combat Team 9 of the 9th Armored Infantry Battalion, Sixth Armored Division, captured the town of Hottelstedt. 50 Russian prisoners emerged from the woods and said they were from Buchenwald just to the southeast. Buchenwald had 30,000 prisoners in a pyramid of power, with German Communists at the top and living in the main barracks, and Jews and Gypsies at the bottom, living on the outskirts, in Little Camp, as assortment of barns. Buchenwald barrack prisoners were reasonably healthy-looking and ready to assist in administering food. Little Camp was a nightmare with 1,000 to 1,200 prisoners in a space meant for 450. In Germany in Defeat, Percy Knauth described Little Camp's prisoners as, "emaciated beyond all imagination or description. Their legs and arms were sticks with huge bulging joints, and their loins were fouled by their own excrement. Their eyes were sunk so deep that they looked blind. If they moved at all, it was with a crawling slowness that made them look like huge, lethargic spiders. Many just lay in their bunks as if dead." The smell of Little Camp, the smell emanating from discarded, decaying flesh, burning bodies, and an open concrete ditch that serviced as the latrine, was indescribable. Even after liberation, twenty prisoners in each Little Camp block died a day. They were gnomes, sticklike figures with sunken eyes who would hobble forward to cry and yell at the sight of their liberators.
Eisenhower from Patch-NA

April 12, 1945 - Generals George Patton, Omar Bradley,and Dwight Eisenhower arrived in Ohrdruf. They saw more than 3,200 naked, emaciated bodies that had been flung into shallow graves. Eisenhower insisted on seeing the entire camp: a shed piled to the ceiling with bodies, various torture devices, and a butcher's block used for smashing gold fillings from the mouths of the dead. Patton became physically ill behind the barracks. Eisenhower felt that it was necessary for his troops to see for themselves, and the world to know about the conditions at Ohrdruf. The day ended with news that Roosevelt had died. Many American soldiers did not know what they were fighting for. Eisenhower realized that it was imperative for the soldiers to at least understand what they were fighting against. He wanted the world to know of the conditions at Ohrdruf. His message to Washington read: "We are constantly finding German camps in which they have placed political prisoners where unspeakable conditions exist. From my own personal observation, I can state unequivocally that all written statements up to now do not paint the full horrors."

April 29, 1945 - American forces liberated Dachau, the first concentration camp built in 1933,

Sources:
National Monument Camp Vught and official site
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum includes Liberation of Nazi Camps in the Holocaust Encyclopedia
WWII Timeline includes Holocaust and Bombing Auschwitz and Auschwitz by Michelle Frazer; Raoul Wallenberg by Robert Beamer; The Final Solution by Lisa Casillas

I do not deny the holocaust. I wasn't even born until the 1960s, so anyone saying I COULD be a holocaust denier is talking vacant smack. As far as I COULD know, the "holocaust" happened exactly like hollywood says it happened. I just haven't ever seen any actual evidnece that it happened as hollywood says. And what passes for evidence is not evidence of any death camps, but always points to what the red cross said was happening, that a thyphus epidemic was killing concentration camp prisoners.

Hey, it isn't my fault that the holocaust story falls apart at the slightest breeze of fact.

Yes, while the thyphus epidemic was killing millions of people outside of concentration camps, it was also killig people inside concentration camps.

Hair being cut off. Wow, you mean the first step in fighting epidemics that do not stop at the barbed wire fences, gets passed off as evidence of death camps. Hardly. It does clearly show that NAZIS were doing what they could to fight the epidemic just as zyclon b being used to kill lice in clothing shows.

Mass graves WERE found by US forces. 30000 recently dead prisoners at 1 camp alone. What usualy gets left out is that allied ar force bombing raids had recently cut water lines to the camp. Anyone know what happens to people with thyhus who can't get water? Yep, they die. They died recently before the camps were liberated. If they were victims of a "death camp", they would have been dying steadily at a rate the NAZIs could have dealt with instead all dying after allied bombers cut off water. Clearly Ike didn't want to be remembers for causing the deaths of those 30000. It just goes to motive why he would go along with scapegoating the Nazis.

Camps were emptied and prisoners sent to other camps. And when Soviet forces were advancing on Auschwitz, the prisoners were told they could return with the Nazis to other camps or stay and be liberated by the Soviets. Those prisoners healthy enough to walk back to Germany chose to do so, because they didn't know what treatment they could expect from the Russians. They DID know how they were treated by Nazis, what from being in NAZI slave labor camps.

We hear that the ovens of Auschwitz never stopped burning. But allied air photos showed the chimnies were never blowing out smoke. Simon Wiezenthal tried to fix that fact by doctoring some photos to show smoke. He was busted out for lying, but few in the US are aware that he conspired to LIE. When the Soviet union fell, there was 1 of a dozen photos showing smoke from the chimnies.

When the Soviets took Berlin, they found a hospital that was not bombed out that was treating over 300 Jews. we don't hear about that much in the US.

Ever see the movie "My cousin Vinnie"? Look at the face of a card, and it looks solid enough. But turn it in the right dirrection and you can see how thin the card really is.

"I just haven't ever seen any actual evidnece that it happened as hollywood says"

Then you haven't looked very hard.
Where do you live? Is there a holocaust museum in your community?
Go look in one.

Growing up in NYC, I saw hundreds of people all the time with numbers tatooed on their arms. Once, when I was 4or 5 , I asked an old woman why she had such an ugly tattoo- and she started crying.

The evidence is all over.

numbers tatooed on their arms means what?

What? Is there a new definition of holocaust making the rounds???

If tatooed numbers on their arms qualifies as a "holocaust" then you got a point.

But why would NAZIs take the time and expense of placing those tatoos on the people's arms if they are just going to be sent to the alleged gas chambers?

Once again, people pushing the holocaust story just end up turning the card sideways. But will they SEE how thin such allegations are?

I know. that post was so pathetic that some of you are going to think / feel that I posted it myself, just so I could return as PrionPartyy to trash it. Nope. There really are people so brainwashed that they feel that tatoos are evidence of "holocaust", gas chambers, 6 million Jews murdered by Nazis. These are the people who also feel that the SS daggers having a scull engraving on the hilt is evidence of holocaust. Ever seen the patches that US solders sport on their arms?

Yep, I have never seen evidence of the holocaust, while some people see number tatoos on the arms as evidence of the alleged holocaust. Cleary, such people are insane, brainwashed, or know their rant is total BS and still fling their crap at you.

try and follow.
The numbers were tattooed on their arms in Aucshwitz and other camps. They were branded like cattle.

April 12, 1945 - Generals George Patton, Omar Bradley,and Dwight Eisenhower arrived in Ohrdruf. They saw more than 3,200 naked, emaciated bodies that had been flung into shallow graves. Eisenhower insisted on seeing the entire camp: a shed piled to the ceiling with bodies, various torture devices, and a butcher's block used for smashing gold fillings from the mouths of the dead. Patton became physically ill behind the barracks. Eisenhower felt that it was necessary for his troops to see for themselves, and the world to know about the conditions at Ohrdruf. The day ended with news that Roosevelt had died. Many American soldiers did not know what they were fighting for. Eisenhower realized that it was imperative for the soldiers to at least understand what they were fighting against. He wanted the world to know of the conditions at Ohrdruf. His message to Washington read: "We are constantly finding German camps in which they have placed political prisoners where unspeakable conditions exist. From my own personal observation, I can state unequivocally that all written statements up to now do not paint the full horrors."

"branded like cattle"?

Burned did it? And the word "revisionist" gets used as an insult by such people.

More. Yep, the conditions created by allied bombing of railroads and German infrastructure exasperated the already harsh conditions of conetration camp prisoners just as coalition bombing against iraq has made living damned near a miracle in Iraq as epidemics kill by the thousands every day. "fighting against", or STILL fighting FOR? maybe the democrat and republican Americans should be forced to not only go to Iraq to see the conditions they created, but to actualy spend some real time living in Iraq under those conditions. And maybe the Zionist enablers should be forced to live under the condtions they have chosen for the palestinian victims of Zionist crusaders.

Still, what you write about is a far way from the hollywood version of the holocaust.

never forget, that there were Zionists seeking support of the Zionist crusade by saying that 6 million Jews were murdered durring world war 1 too.

Idiot: "6 million Jews were murdered durring world war 1 too."

Really. Show us where this was written. What book, newpaper article, speech made this claim.

Show us. We'll wait

You mean *this* history buff?

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/1698659.php

(snip)

history buff

(snip)

The Nazis meticulously documented even minute details of the Holocaust using IBM punch cards. In Prague today, one can see their Museum to an Extinct Race." The war ended too soon for the Nazis and their Arab allies to perpetrate these atrocities in pre-state Israel. Although the plans for the death camps were drawn up by the then leader of the Arabs in "Palestine", the Grand Mufti Al-Husseini, later indicted as a War Criminal. There is no real historic question as to the details of the Holocaust or of Arab complicity.

"pre-state Israel"

And for those of you who don't have their heads shoved up their asses, that means Brittish occupied western Palestine which the Brittish helped Zionist crusaders invade like the NAZIs helped their Hungarian allies invade NAZI occupied Slovakian lands.

And when the locals of Palestine tried to defend their homeland from Zionist invasion in the 1920s and 1930s, the Brittish occupiers of Palestine slaughtered them.

When someone tells you of the Palestinian "compicity" with NAZI offense, they usually leave out the part of history where Brittish occupiers supported the Zionist invasion. It makes sence once you realize that they are trying to manipulate your understanding.

Yes, some palestinians actualy ESCAPED Brittish / Zionist occupied Palestine to join up with the NAZIs who were at war with the people who already declaired war against the people of palestine, just as some Czechoslovakians ESCAPED NAZI / Hungarian occupied Czechoslovakia to join up with the people who were at war with those who were at war against those who had already declaired war against Czechoslovakians.

And if there were any real evidence in Pragua or anywhere else of a holocaust , we would have seen it instead of the stuff that passes as evidence ONLY to the brainwashed idiots.

So, why do you suppose (if you have such capacity to suppose) why Zionist crusaders and their enablers call Brittish occupied Palestine "pre-state Israel"? Do you suppose (if) that they enjoy insulting your inteligence???

Pre State Israel?
by British Mandate, perhaps Tuesday, May. 06, 2008 at 12:29 AM

I suppose its more accurate to call it the British Mandate.

Ohhh, Brittish "mandate". And why not tell us what THAT means?

I'll do it. The Judeo-christian (small c) boy's club called the leage of nations gave the Brittish their blessings for the Britts to occupy palestine. WOW!

Brittish occupied palestine is still accurate no matter how many western interloapers attribute to themselves the authority of the devil and say the Britts have a right to occupy palestine.

Why do you suppose some people feel the need such flowery words such as mandate? Is it because they know the truth isn't so pretty???

And before the British it was the Ottoman.

Strange- there never was a Palestinian state in "Palestine".
In fact, short of the Hebrews, this sliver of land has never been independent and self governing until 1948

Yep, the people of Palestine have a long history of being ruled by foreign invadors and powers. In my view, that wouldn't denigrate the Palestinian's basic human right not to be destroyed by ANY foreign invadors.

But the Jews are also people of Palestine.
And they've been their longer than the Muslims

And Jews have been a part of Brittish society too. And longer than Muslims have been a part of Brittish society. Tell us how that would give Zionist invadors a birthright of murderous theft of "England".

Danes too have been a part of English society. Tell us how that would give other danes a birthright of murderous theft of WEngland.

Remnants of the Hebrew invasion still being in the land would give Zionists about as much right to invade Palestine as remnants of the Holy Roman Empire being in the land would give NAZIs a birthright of murderous theft of Czechoslovakian lands. None.

Ashkinazim didn't even convert to Judaism until 850 AD. They have as much busniess being in Palestine as french converts to christianity would have to be crusaders in the land.

Islam is a religion. WHen the Arab Muslims drove the East ROman Empire out of palestine, the Arab muslims left. We know this because the Arab Muslims then drove the East ROman Empire out of lebanon, Syria etc.

Arab muslms have a standard deal to slaves in lands they took. Slaves were offered a choice to convert to Islam or remain a slave of the Jews and Christians remaining in the land. After a milliseconds thought on the choice, the slaves converted en mass. It then took the locals of Palestine 200 years to adopt Arbabic as their own language. This may be a shock to you, but the only Arabs who need to learn how to speek Arabic are babies. Duh.

Islam is a religion and the fact that many of the people that migrated to Palestine under Ottoman and British rule hapen to share the same religion as the armies tht once conqured Israel, doesn't give the descendants of these migrants, today called "Palestinians" any particular national rights to Jewish land. Its just Moslem Supremicism.

by that reasoning, Zionist crusaders sharing the religion of Hebrew invadors would NOT give Zionists a birthright of murderous theft of ANY Palestinian lands even if you and others call the Palestinian lands "Jewish lands".

If the locals of Palestine want to accept Muslims from other lands into palestinian society, then that is THEIR business and NOONE elses and sure as hell would NOT denigrate the Palestinian's right to self determination OR give Zionists any birthright of murderous theft of the local's homeland.

And an odd thing about so called Muslim emigrants, the proportion of Muslim to Christian in the land remained constant. What, did the palestinian locals ALSO accept Christians into the palestinian's society at the same rate as they accepted Muslim emigrants? Turkish and "Brittish" census records are clear enough. Very few people emigrated to Palestine under their rules.

Quite wrong and self contradictory. If fhe proportion between Xians and Moslems remained steady then what hapened to your previous facually devoid rant that all the Xians converted to Islam and thats where the "Palestinains" came from? I guess the "Palestinians are indigeenous" myth has finally evaporated.

Proportions of Christians to muslims under Turkish and brittish rule remained constant.

the Christians and Jews who converted to Islam a thousand years BEFORE the ottoman / ossman took over is another story.

it is like you aren't even trying to add substance.

Do you really think / feel that insulting people's inteligence is a good tactic?

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