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Quotations from Israel’s leaders:

"We must expel Arabs and take their places." -- David Ben Gurion, 1937
Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." -- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978

"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel." -- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation)

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." -- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969

"Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen." -- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy." -- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" -- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979

"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat." -- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs." -- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982

"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." -- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine

"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country." -- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple." -- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." -- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." -- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... -- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000

"I would have joined a terrorist organization." -- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online Occupied Jerusalem: 3 October, 2001 (IAP) -- According to Israel radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael, [Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us." At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying "every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying what he said in public because "it would cause us a public relations disaster."

"Ben Gurion Quote is a lie
by Ben Gurion Quote is a lie Wednesday, Jun. 24, 2009 at 7:02 AM"

Which one?
Let's unwrap this statement. If you don't mind.

"We must expel Arabs and take their places." -- David Ben Gurion, 1937
Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985

I don't see this quote in it. I happen to have the book in front of me. It says

From page 5. "the land belonged to those prepared to work it and develop it, and it was immoral to deny a dynamic people the opportunity to better the country through its own labors. We have the right to build and be built in Palestine; we will win the country by building it..." These were the credos he etched in Zionist doctrine."

"...the Arab community in Palestine is an organic, inseparable part of the landscape. It is embedded in hte country. The Arabs work the land and will remain. Ben Gurion even held that the Arabs had full rights in Palestine, "since the only right by which a people can claim to possess a land indefinately is the right conferred by the willingness to work"

p. 28 With the help of the Jews, the Arabs would prosper.... "We are building and revitalizing the country, wrote Ben Gurion...We will win the land through its reclaimation, and our renewal in this land will come through the renewal of the land itself, and that means the renewal of its Arab inhabitants."

So, whoever posted these quotes, how do you reconcile what the book says about Ben Gurion and with the first quote in your list "We must expel the Arabs and take their places"

Or better yet- show us (exact citation) where it is written.

"We must expel Arabs and take their places ... and, if we have to use force - not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places - then we have force at our disposal." - (A letter to his son, Amos, 5 October 1937. Cited in Shabtai Teveth, Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, p.189.)

Was this the only 'mis-quote?' In the entire litteny of quotes provided?
Whew I should have gone through each one and tripple checked....

One bad apple
by taints the whole bushel Wednesday, Jun. 24, 2009 at 8:58 AM

I just happened to have the book. And it happened to be the first quote. And its a lie.

Always be suspicious when you don't get a full citation.

A quick review of the list above shows several publications that don't exist.

Just more lies.

"the most egregious of these was the distortion of an October 1937 letter from David Ben-Gurion to his so... cited the letter as saying, "We must expel Arabs and take their place," when Ben-Gurion actually said the opposite.

Let's Get This Straight, you haven't actually disproven the quote because I *did* list the exact page and it's indeed there but now you're saying some morris guy thinks this is some kind of ...forgery?
Sounds to me as if you need a legal team to sue the publisher.
Damn this gets complicated, doesn't it?
Maybe his son forged this document.
What to do....

Its a lie.
Its not in the book.
I own the book. And the alleged "letter" its based on says says the opposite.
Clearly people have debunked your lies before.

Oh those silly silly anti-zionists Is there any lie they won't spread?

come agian?
by " based on says says the opposite" Wednesday, Jun. 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM

please form a complete sentance. That is understandable.
Does the book hold this quote on p189? If not, then what are you typing?
And what does says says mean?
Is it like this morris guy and *his* says says?
"I own the book. And the alleged "letter" its based on *says says* the opposite."
What do you mean by this ?

Hard to figure out what you're saying, forgive me.
You are saying this quote is not in the book on p189?
This is news to me.

The book is in front of me.
Sorry.
Just a lie
you source is not reliable

come agian?
by " based on says says the opposite" Wednesday, Jun. 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM

I did some digging and found multiple hits that refered to that book and page and frankly I can't understand it. So I did a bit of deep digging***

-Ben-Gurion commented on the proposed Peel Commission Partition plan as follows in 1937:

"We must EXPEL ARABS and take their places .... and, if we have to use force-not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places-then we have force at our disposal." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66)
Now then I apoligize for this error.
Do you have the book Expulsion Of The Palestinians?
I'm now looking into the Peel Commission ...

So is that it? An error?

Thats not a letter to his son.
First lie.
Whats before the 3 dots?
What don't they want you to know?
Just wondering.

We have a lie about a book. A lie about a letter. Now this is brand new. If you've lied twice, why should I believe you now?

Interesting.

Ben Gurion accepted the peel commission plan, btw- if the Arabs did, they'd have a 27th country to call their own.

Here's the context- its online and you can see how the words in your quote are twisted and changed:

http://books.google.com/books?id=m6vauybn-TsC&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=Ben-Gurion++Peel+Commission+Partition++1937%22We+must+EXPEL+ARABS+and+take+their+places&source=bl&ots=3G3j0xUMYI&sig=QGiLCCyimPtXEO4H89ol8xgNiVU&hl=en&ei=PEtCSrmVAYXYtgPxi43MDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8

(bottom of page 49 and top of 50)

This isn't the Pell Commision report it's says says....

form Efraim Karsh
Books by Efraim Karsh
Fabricating Israeli History: The new Historians - 2000 -
Islamic Imperialism: A History - 2007 -
Rethinking the Middle East - 2003 -

And you said these were from the Peel Commision.
It's merely another zionist author with a very specific slant on history.

This is the letter to Ben Gurions son regarding the peel Commission report.

It says exactly the opposite of your quote. What ismissing (where you include the three dots) is the part that compleetly negates your quote

http://books.google.com/books?id=m6vauybn-TsC&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=Ben-Gurion++Peel+Commission+Partition++1937%22We+must+EXPEL+ARABS+and+take+their+places&source=bl&ots=3G3j0xUMYI&sig=QGiLCCyimPtXEO4H89ol8xgNiVU&hl=en&ei=PEtCSrmVAYXYtgPxi43MDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8

***********

Imagine someone writing this:

"Its a glorious train wreck of a movie" and having it quoted
"Its a glorious...movie"

Thats what you quote does.

look at the supposed 'corrections' in italics that change from third to second person. That sure makes sense. English sure is a bitch, isn't it?
Here's what. Maybe you can help us all out here. I've been trying to secure a page [66]from
The Expulsion of Palestinians
by Nur Masalha
on an e-book page but 'm coming up blank on the e-book.
Just to nit pick about this "correction" to the quote, under the circumstances.
Think how I act in the lab. Everyone hates me.
Measure twice, order once.

this is strange in the change from 2nd to 3rd person in the italicized 'corrections'.

So the "But he did not wish to do so" was deliberately excluded?
Thats what was missing in your "...."

Now i see why you left it out.

this doesn't explain the switch from 2nd to 3rd person in your correction.
Can't we just find page 66 of The Expulsion of Palestinians
by Efraim Karsh?
Sure are spending a great deal of effort on one quote and only one quote.
But hey, what the heck.

let *me* explain
by this is what this is... Wednesday, Jun. 24, 2009 at 2:25 PM

In both supplied pieces of ... "missing text" the personal aspect of the allegded author of this 'corrected' comment changes from "we" [2nd person ] to "He" [ 3rd person.]
It's strange.
To say nothing of clumsy.
English *is* a bitch, isn't it?

Is there any lie 'anti-zionists' won't tell? Its the usual "fake quotes"that have been disproven time and time again.Is thee some reason that 'anti-zionists' feel compelled to lie?

my 'charge' must have hit dead center.
All that's left is the autonomic reflex of a crippled argument. The Yada snot-bot...
Let's watch it sputter and flame while it very slowly sinks ... --- ...

The orginal article/letter would have been in Hebrew, not English- that might account for the change in tense- its possible that Hebrew tenses don't translate accurately into English- when I studied french, you would use a different form of "you" depending on your relationship with the subject.

It seems to me this "quote" was cherry picked and taken out of context specifically to demonize the person who said it, although it is clear that the way it was used in the first article was meant to mislead.

you and I both know there are two different translators mixing this 'quote'..
This looks like a clumsy forgery by insertion under the guise of "correction".
Please.

did *you* know that ... means pause as in a transcripted statement as opposed to a - which means out of context. I use the "-" when I post an abbreviated entry.

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